{{U|[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]}} ([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]]) 16:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
::In which case {{U|Technical 13}}, you've done yourself and us a misfavour by voting as you did [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script|here]]. Scrapping AfC is the obvious solution but before we get there we have to prove to the community that AfC is not working in its present concept. History has shown that on Wikipedia, little changes lead to bigger ones. This would have been a valuable stepping stone, and still can be if you would reconsider. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
::* [[Special:Diff/645188517|Fair enough]]. — {{U|[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]}} ([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]]) 18:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
* I am not against ''merging'' the AfC and NPP processes, but the reason I have support AfC for now is, as Kudpung says, due to bad patrolling at NPP. Some NPPers (eg: Mr X, WikiDan61, RandyKitty, SL93) do good work, but there is still [[WP:BITE]]ing going on, so I really think that if we want to put up a hard barrier to reviewing new articles, we apply it consistently across the board. I have some shortcuts on my userpage to check articles nominated for CSD, particularly A7 and G11, and try and salvage anything that I can where possible. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Köpenicker_Blues_und_Jazz_Festival&diff=645333548&oldid=645294851 example]) However, where I can't I consistently see confused newbies who don't understand why their work will be deleted. As long as a reasonable explanation is given, ideally suggesting another article or website where some of the content could go, is a better approach. Unfortunately it's a more time consuming one. [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|(cont)]] 18:04, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::I can't argue with that, {{U|Ritchie333|Ritchie}}. That's why it's a total paradox that NPPers don't require any qualifications at all. They refuse to read what instructions there are (the ones {{U|Scottywong}} and I wrote at [[WP:NPP]]), rarely make use of the handwritten note feature of the curation tool, and never move an article to Draft namespace. That said, in a way, AfC and NPP are almost identical processes with NPP being by far the most important of the two. Merging would be ideal if the regular experienced AfC reviewers would migrate with the move. That way, we would have the best of both worlds. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 23:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm going to start moving stuff to draft ([[Draft:Le Trouble (musician)|first example]]) and see if takes up. [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|(cont)]] 17:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
== Buster7 ==
Hello there. I would appreciate it of you could keep me informed of the case I buster7. I would appreciate it if there could be a sutiable warning for violation rules and his extra rights as a rollbacker. How could there be an accidental rollback? Thank you very much[[User:TheMagikCow|TheMagikCow]] ([[User talk:TheMagikCow|talk]]) 14:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|TheMagikCow|Magic Cow}} It's a very strict rule that editors should not refactor, re-edit, or remove anything from other users' talk pages or user pages. It is in fact quite easy to click a Rollback button by mistake, that's why we're so strict about handing out Rollback rights. In view of the events of earlier today (or tonight according to wherever you are) {{U|Buster7}} could have every reason to take a swipe at one of my edits. It would be a huge coincidence if it were an accident, but I guess we have to stretch the rubber band of AGF and presume it was. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 15:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
== RfC: AfC Helper Script access ==
An RfC has been opened at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script|RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script]]. You are invited to comment. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 18:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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;Thank you ! --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 00:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
== WP:ER ==
You're always welcomed at [[WP:RETENTION]] -- [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 03:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
== Shane Ferguson ==
Hello, could you please semi-protect [[Shane Ferguson]] as it's getting a lot of disruptive editors at the moment. Thanks, [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 00:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{done}} --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 01:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
== Paracommunications ==
Hi Kudpung
I don't understand your reasons for proposing deletion of my Paracommunications entry. Please would you explain, as this is my first entry to Wikipedia. What does dicdef mean? And, how should I edit this entry so it is not deleted. Thank you.
David — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Batmanolan|Batmanolan]] ([[User talk:Batmanolan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Batmanolan|contribs]]) 03:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|Batmanolan|David}}. Well, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a dictionary. There is a very big difference (dicdef = dictionary definition). That said, the page will not be suitable for Wikipedia at all, even the more so that the word is not to be found anywhere else. You could try publishing it at [[Wiktionary]] which is a Wikimedia web site., but although [[Wiktionary]] is in the same group, we here don't work there. Regards, --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]])
Done, thanks for the tip. Please feel free to delete, now. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Batmanolan|Batmanolan]] ([[User talk:Batmanolan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Batmanolan|contribs]]) 03:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
== Edit summary usage ==
Hi Kudpung! I just need some advice. Is it okay to use words like "Fu*k off" in edit summaries when directing other users? Isn't it violates our core policy, [[WP:CIVILITY]]? Today, I came across an editor who often uses those words in edit summaries. See [[Special:Diff/645405716|this]]. When I asked him not to use such words, he said [[Special:MobileDiff/645410610|this]]. It is not the first time he is using profanity when talking about other fellow editors. [[Special:MobileDiff/642443657|Here]] some one warned him too when he said someone a "miserable shit". You will get to see more such things in his talk page history and elsewhere. I think it's time for an admin to step in and warn. What you think? '''[[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]''' 06:17, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's ''never'' alright to use such language either on edit summaries or anywhere else. But remember, I am very old fashioned and come from a British background where such language was never used. It might be more modern and more tolerated nowadays, but I don't really think it is, and it's certainly not the kind of language that should be used on Wikipedia. I looked at the edit history and it seems you may have done something wrong but I guess it wasn't intentional. I very much liked one comment of yours I came across (I seem to have seen something very similar before...), you should use it more often, but carefully of course, and only if you are sure that the person is a child (well, under 18 or so). I made myself a golden rule many years ago: always check out an editor's user page before you hit them with anything. If the page looks like a teenager's bedroom wall, chances ar that they are a teenager (or even younger), but on the other hand, while there are lots of children who act like mature adults on Wikipedia, there are lots of adults who behave like children ;) Keep up the good work, {{U|Jim Carter|Jim}}! --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 06:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 06:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, indeed. I strongly condemn the use of such language on Wikipedia. Actually, I don't know what exactly happened but I guess his comment was removed due to an edit conflict. His behavior was so childish that I didn't have to check his user page. Anyway, thank you. I'm just trying to follow your commands :) Cheers, '''[[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]''' 10:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::{{u|Jim Carter|Jim}} - Your comment had gone from polite to and I quote "''This is not a playground for kids. You're here to build an encyclopedia, why don’t you just grow up and behave as if you are working on the world’s biggest single source of information? A huge number of users are much older than you might think. Try to give others respect in talk pages as well as in edit summaries'' - How do you expect me to react?,
:::Had you left it at the section where you said you disagreed with my use of words I'd of been more than happy to apologize, As for my "miserable shit" comment elsewhere ... I realized I was wrong and had removed it[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Titodutta&diff=642463191&oldid=642449018] so it's not really relevant here{{U|[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]}} ([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]]) 14:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks for your work on that, but I think if I can find out what the numbers above represent, I'm good. (I get what the middle row means.) - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 14:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
{{ec}} {{U|Dank}}, most of these charts are created and maintained by {{U|WereSpielChequers}}. I don't find the figures particularly difficult to understand. Active admins are those who by some some silly criterion (not created by WereSpielChequers) that gives a totally false picture. IMO the actual number of truly active admins is about one tenth of that. Promotions is of course the actual number who passed an fA, and attrition is the total number lost through all kinds of desysoping. The projected number for 2014 was pretty accurate, in fact the actual number was 22. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 14:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:Agreed that it would be nice to have numbers that are based on a higher bar for activity ... do either of you happen to have numbers that reflect that? I'll ask WSC too. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 15:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::{{U|Dank}}, I don't but anyone who knows how to run a regex through the actual admin action logs can soon find out. I would suggest that a truly active admin should be based on the uses of the admin tools over the previous 60 days, plus the number of edits to ANI over the same period and then divide by 2. If the answer is 40 or greater, then I would consider them as active, {{U|Scottywong}} used to be brilliant at pulling stats but he's gone AWOL as far as I can see. He did most of the stats for us at [[WP:RFA2011]]. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I've asked WSC if he has numbers. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 15:19, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
== AfC ==
Hi. You removed me from Articles for Creation participants list because you thought I was too inexperienced. When do I know if I am experienced enough? When I reach 1000 edits? Thanks. [[User:William2001|William2001]] ([[User talk:William2001|talk]]) 04:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:Well, {{U|William2001|William}} that's something else which you have misunderstood. If you had read the page before putting your name on it and my comments on your talk page you would have seen that 500 edits / 90 days are only a starting point and that more important is having sufficient experience that can't simply be measured by an edit count. We are shorly going to change the system and reviewers will have to request an admin to include them on the list just as we do for PC Reviewer, Rollbacker, and AWB user. I suggest that you might like to do some less complex maintenance tasks until the new system is up and running and make a new application then. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 05:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
::OK. Thank you. [[User:William2001|William2001]] ([[User talk:William2001|talk]]) 16:39, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
== Recreated ==
Hi just letting you know that I have recreated the pre-speedy tag. This is for purpose of demonstration for the discussion started '''[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Pre-Speedy_Deletion_tag|here]].''' Please know that until the discussion has ended I will not use the tag. If a consensus is not reached I will tag it for deletion myself - Thanks. [[User:Unit388|Unit388]] ([[User talk:Unit388|talk]]) 05:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:Replied on your talk page.--[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 05:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
::Kudpung, you owe this user an apology. You already have 4 editors at criteria for speedy deletion who consider this deletion inappropriate. What's described at that page is not an ambiguous misrepresentation of policy (altho I can't speak for the template itself). Deleting a template so quickly while it's still under discussion at the appropriate page because you personally disagree is, in my opinion, a mis-use of administrator tools. [[User:Oiyarbepsy|Oiyarbepsy]] ([[User talk:Oiyarbepsy|talk]]) 07:16, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:::{{U|Oiyarbepsy}}, I don't really care for your opinion. It hasn't gone unnoticed by several editors that since you arrived at Wikipedia recently, you appear to have a disproportionate interest in policing the product to adding content to its articles. You are not likely to be an admin any time soon so if you don't understand our policies, kindly stay out of them. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 08:16, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
== Something came in my mind ==
Is it possible some how to physically hide [[Special:NewPages|this page]] from new editors. I mean restricting new editors (who have less than 200 mainspace) to visit that page. I was thinking maybe WMF can do this but we need consensus first. What you say? '''[[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]''' 06:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{U|Jim Carter| Hi Jim}}. Well, theoretically that old feed ought to be deprecated. If the new NPP system has been in operation for a full two years (and if it hasn't it will be soon) the best way would be to start a major RfC to get it deprecated. At the moment, paradoxically, there are no requirements of minimm experiemce to patrol new pages but if the RfC for AfC goes through in a few days I will be starting a similar one for NPP and that will be the one to ask the Foundation how they can deny access to the curation system for non privileged patrollers. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 06:39, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
::Actually, I started drafting an RfC. Currently there are two ways to see the log of new pages. 1) [[Special:NewPages]] and 2) [[Special:NewPagesFeed]]. As there are no requirements of minimum experience so my proposal would be: an editor with a minimum of 500 mainspace edits, account 90 days old will be able to view those two pages. The old feed cannot be shut down because older browsers are not able to open [[Special:NewPagesFeed]] page as the curation system uses JavaScript. So my RfC will ask the Foundation to set a filter such that users with less experience than the requirement will not be able access that page. I will be setting the RfC by tomorrow. I will inform you before it goes live. Cheers, '''[[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]''' 09:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
== .js page ==
Hello. When you need to put a template on a javascript page please put two slashes '''//''' before the template so that the browser does no try to interpret it as code. The slashed tell the interpreter what follows is a comment and not code. Remember when you edit another persons javascript page you are effecting the code ran on their browser, given the shear number of browsers and their idiosyncratic interpretation of javascript it can be problematic. [[User talk:Chillum|Chillum]] 07:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hi. I have no idea what you are talking about except that I know that two slashes signifies a comment that is not part of the code. All the js sripts in my vector.js page have been copied and pasted as is and I have not tried to modify them. If you see something there that is not correct I would appreciate a hint rather than a vague message. Thanks. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 07:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
::I may have communicated poorly, I was referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=User%3AUnit388%2Ftwinklespeedy.js×tamp=20150207060549&diff=prev this edit]. To put it simply pages that end in .js have the potential to run code on the users browsers. While administrators are able to edit these pages they should only do so if they understand javascript enough to not screw things up. The tip about putting the slashes in front of the template was my 5 cent lesson on not messing up scripts.
::When a javascript interpreter sees '''{{U|[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]}} ([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]]) 16:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Jesus Kudpung I am not accusing you of anything much less you abusing your admin tools. The only reason I mentioned admin tools was that if you were not an admin you would have been prevented from editing that page. I understand and accept that you did not do it on purpose and it was the result of a tool you used. All I am asking is the you either do not change other users javascript pages or that you put '''//''' before your change. This is a reasonable request, not some sort of attack on you. I am asking this of you for technical reasons not because I think you have done something wrong. [[User talk:Chillum|Chillum]] 18:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Regardless it is not my intent to carry on about this matter, it is minor. Please just use more care in the future when it comes to javascript pages or avoid them altogether. I have notified the maintainers of twinkle here: [[Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Javascript_pages_and_admins]]. [[User talk:Chillum|Chillum]] 18:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{tps}}Hi Chillum, I hope you don't mind a comment from me here. It's not what was said, but the way it was said that's caused the aggravation here, I think. Perhaps something like "''You might not be aware of it, but when you nominated X for deletion Twinkle did something wrong''" rather than just the "''It's your responsibility...''" approach might have worked better? [[User:Squinge|Squinge]] ([[User talk:Squinge|talk]]) 18:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
== CSD Criteria ==
What would a page like [[Aswin mukundan]] qualify for deletion under? I'm not sure. --[[User:Kges1901|Kges1901]] ([[User talk:Kges1901|talk]]) 08:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
:{{U|Kges1901}} Both A7 ''and'' G11. Take a look at the article now while it's still there. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung#top|talk]]) 09:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
== Righto ==
:better start earning my pay and start digging into some NPP. I still have the tool and full guidance. I think I've only ever done about 12, but there were no disasters generated as I recall. Keep a subtle eye out if you would be so kind. I assume you have the tools which give you a general overview of the day's or week's NPP output. Regards, Simon. [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 14:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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